Peaceful Hamas

[zubin]

yes mike, every single event in the world confirms your view of things.

when i say defend i mean you even giving hams a chace even letting the light shine on theme
even having a listening ear for hamas is too much

look these recent actions are show the diffrance between hamas and israel

hamas agreed to a truce and only 57 minutes later broke it by still shooting rockets in to israel

israel still kept its word and did not retaliate
bravo israel
bravo abbas
tof be hamas a terrorist orginization who is after destroying peac and stibility

[mike435]

you are complaining that israel used terrorisom to gain the state and because of that we have these problems

to a certin extent you are right israel did use terrorisom but not as saviar as hamas

but shouldnt the last 50 years be a lesson than that if you creat a state with terorisom and sapport a terorist group like hamas than you are going to have this same teroil again for the next 50 years.

why support hamas when their is other groups
why even give a right of excistance to hamas when their is the PA

especialy when israel is willing to give the palastinians what they want and deserv

looks the zionist did the same thing once they got the ears of the world they stopped it and after that they went with protocals and treaties

right now hamas is a that stage they could either continue with terrorisom or contininue throgh diplomatic means backed by force
what the PA is doing

let me guss now you are going to start question the use of terorisom and again side line the conversation

HAMAS IS A TERRORIST ORGINIZATION THAT DOES NOT DESERV RECOGNITION

[zubin]

why not this then?


ISRAEL IS A TERRORISM ORGANIZATION AND DOES NOT DESERVE RECOGNITION

[mike435]

you now have stooped to my level

go ahead and ahow by example that israel is not a terrorist orginization that in faxt it is xyz

you know you saw this weekennd that hamas cant be relied on, they are bunch of liars, they have no vredibility and under a truce they still attack israel and those citizens in the effected area still have to go into bomb shelters on an hourly baisis

all the while israel is still standing by having its troops out of gaza and taking these hits

from my point of a view it has sadly pushed me into wanting israel to launch a massive assualt on gaza somthing like defesive shield
from my view point i see thier is no redibility on hamas and that if their is credibility why waist time getting hit and at the same time letting hamas get stronger

for the sake of "objectivity" lets say israel and hamas are both terrorist orginization

[zubin]

I'm most interested in solutions anyway

[Rasputin]

I am agree with joubin.. we need spme way for having peace between them ! not another non sense war and killing lots ppl ! but i am also agree with Mike ! Hamas is terrorist org too ! I met lots palestinian which they have not an good opinion about Hamas or S.A.F or the other Palestinian politic orgS ! because they want war,more wars and this is not good anymore !

We need a power which protect palestinian and israeli ppl against wars and finding a way to make a permanent peace between them !

[zubin]

thanks for your balanced opinion. the problem with this argument, however, is the definition of the word terrorism. If Hamas is terrorist, then why shouldn't Israel be categorized the same way? Perhaps you are saying that they are both terrorist and both bad and should change? If that is what you are saying, then you have solved the problem of defining terrorism, making it a two-way street.

I have a problem with the definition of terrorism when it is used only against one party and not others.

Killing is always bad and there is no justification. I am against killing innocent people. But if Hamas is terrorist, then Israel is terrorist too, and so is US and even Canada and other countries who killed innocents for power.

[Rasputin]

My dear Firned Mr Joubin ...

I neither tolerate what did Israel until now ! But i want to give you another perspective.

I was in Israel and Palestine,i have lots friends between them, each time we talk about this subject (Who Is Terrorist Or What's Terrorism?) we get the same conclusation which i posted it above of your reply.

We must to think about the ppl ! just the ppl,nothing else, no more about another stupid politic diffrence ! neither the religions and etc..

My dear friend ,Believe me.. I touched this subject since i got my politic studies and til now,i don't understand what is the deal between them ? U.S.A and U.K are guilty ? Zionism party is guilty ? Iran Syria Israel are guilty ? ai don't know. Is very hard to get positive points in this subject.

Thank you for your attention :=) .

[mike435]

jubin why are you bent on having both sides being equal when they are not equal in any way (not appling a negative conotation but is just a fact" dont take it the wrong aay as thinking that i am saying one is defulty better or worse they are just diffrant and their actions make theme better or worse and finaly inequal to each other

from culture to religion to way of life to plans for the future

if they are both terrorist than agree that one is a lesser terorist

if you wanne go back to your view point of staying nutreal than do that but recognize that israel is the lesser of the two

[mike435]

i think my biggest problam is that you want to grant the same treatment to hamas as israel

when israe has don so much more and is so much better
i dono what words to use becuase you dont belive in words

[zubin]

My dear Firned Mr Joubin ...

I neither tolerate what did Israel until now ! But i want to give you another perspective.

I was in Israel and Palestine,i have lots friends between them, each time we talk about this subject (Who Is Terrorist Or What's Terrorism?) we get the same conclusation which i posted it above of your reply.

We must to think about the ppl ! just the ppl,nothing else, no more about another stupid politic diffrence ! neither the religions and etc..

My dear friend ,Believe me.. I touched this subject since i got my politic studies and til now,i don't understand what is the deal between them ? U.S.A and U.K are guilty ? Zionism party is guilty ? Iran Syria Israel are guilty ? ai don't know. Is very hard to get positive points in this subject.

Thank you for your attention :=) .

the people is exactly what I have in mind when I refute flawed arguments. Flawed arguments and one person point the finger to the other, calling "terrorist", just for Bush to make money and without being logical is the main cause for conflict.

[mike435]

let me learn your language what words do you use that you have a definition for

[zubin]

jubin why are you bent on having both sides being equal when they are not equal in any way (not appling a negative conotation but is just a fact" dont take it the wrong aay as thinking that i am saying one is defulty better or worse they are just diffrant and their actions make theme better or worse and finaly inequal to each other

from culture to religion to way of life to plans for the future

if they are both terrorist than agree that one is a lesser terorist

if you wanne go back to your view point of staying nutreal than do that but recognize that israel is the lesser of the two

Palestinians are the victims of much grander terrorism by Israelis than vice versa. As a question of degree, your argument shatters into ungluable peices.

[mike435]

if people are unvilling to helo theme selfs it is not the fault of others

[zubin]

what does that even mean? are you just resorting to elusive propaganda?