Islam Is A Perfect Religion ?

[zubin]

Not that this point is better than others... I simply thought you might like to know...

[Inquisitor]

Inquisitor... they don't always care about the credibility of their sources here. I would go as far as saying that the collection of cheap entertainment peices that mask themselves as logical in fact reinforce a cult mentality. I was personally told I did could not understand things because I used logic to disagree with some of the views here.

The reason that I joined this forum is because I had to PM adminstrator. All of a sudden, I saw all these false articles. But shouldn't we use intellect ? some people just copy/paste stuff without even knowing the meaning of it!?

Yet when you oppose them and challenge them to debate, they will accuse you of being disrespectful. And they fail to show you what part of your post was inappropriate. call it Double standard, some have the right to disrespect my religion and lie about it, yet when I oppose them, I'm accused of being disrespectful.
Time is gold. I'm not here to flame and being a troll. As I said: the only purpose was to contact Admin which I have done already and got answered from him.

Read some of Plato's "early dialogues" which have Socrates as the protagonist. You'll be amazed at how effective this method is and how applicable it is to today's world.

In my experience, logic has been very fruitful when engaging in discussion. However, I noticed your method of logic... and am wondering if it is the most effective kind in today's world. ...

Not that this point is better than others... I simply thought you might like to know...

All I know is that I know nothing

[mike435]

Knowledge is different than belief and they should not be mixed up, I can clarify that if you wish !?




All I know is that I know nothing

can you clairifi that a bit more

also you might know
jews based on the torah they have philosophy which is jewish philosophy
most of jewish philosophy is collected with in gemara or tallmude i dont know exactly which is which
and there are hewish philosophers like Maimonides and Nahmanides

what would be the similar of that in islam
is there a like a collection of works
or certin philosphers that have comentary on qouran
who use logic to derive there findings or comentray

[mike435]

also is there islamic mistisim
like the kabalah or zohar

[Inquisitor]

also is there islamic mistisim
like the kabalah or zohar

Read works of Sufi Philosophers

is there a like a collection of works
or certin philosphers that have comentary on qouran
who use logic to derive there findings or comentray

There are three main groups in Islamic philosophy:

1- Ash’arite
2- Mu’tazailite
3- Shi’ie

The Ash’arite school advocates predestination while the Mu’tazailite supported doctrine of free will. The Shia believes in both, arguing that neither contradicts the other.

I am follower of Sadra school of Philosophy eventhough that I have studied in Western universities.

can you clairifi that a bit more

I said Knowledge is different than belief and they should not be mixed up, I shall clarify that for you in a very simple example:

If challenged, a scientist who knows that there is no such a thing as ghosts or zombies “may” still not dare to sleep one night alone in a cemetery! Yet a mortician would not mind to even sleep right close to a dead man. Indeed the mortician believes that there are no ghosts while the scientist despite his knowledge does not. Perhaps he is not sure that the dead man is truly finished!
Logic on its own can not ensure any meaningful advance in any arena. Among other things it is the love for perfection that in the end directs our motion and to that end belief is what that we decide is the best direction or solution in attaining perfection, we attach ourselves to it; this should not be mixed up with survival instinct it is broader than that.

Also, Check the thread that I have posted in religion subforum called:
>> Knowledge Vs Wealth <<

Ya Haq, Wassalam

[mike435]

bro you just explaind to me another way of g-s excistance for me

see i have knowledge that there are some truths that are real
yet even with that knowledge the whole time som,thing inside me kept saying that theri is somthing more
i guss i belived in g-d
i dono but when i went to israel wow man and i g-t to the wailing wall or cotel it was an amazing experiance i felt somthing even thogh that time i was at lowest amount of belife in g-d
and it was not oh ok i got emotional becuse i saw a jewish i dentity fianly in my life it was somthing else i am sure of it

[Inquisitor]

see i have knowledge that there are some truths that are real
yet even with that knowledge the whole time som,thing inside me kept saying that theri is somthing more
i guss i belived in g-d
i dono but when i went to israel wow man and i g-t to the wailing wall or cotel it was an amazing experiance i felt somthing even thogh that time i was at lowest amount of belife in g-d
and it was not oh ok i got emotional becuse i saw a jewish i dentity fianly in my life it was somthing else i am sure of it

Try not to be emotional, You have to use intellect and there is no religion like Islam that encourage us to do so.

bro you just explaind to me another way of g-s excistance for me

I hope it helped you a bit

I really haven't entered that discussion yet, But if a member wishes to debate about the "God". I'm ready.

[mike435]

Try not to be emotional, You have to use intellect and there is no religion like Islam that encourage us to do so.



I hope it helped you a bit

I really haven't entered that discussion yet, But if a member wishes to debate about the "God". I'm ready.

listen were do you stand on the torah

[Inquisitor]

listen were do you stand on the torah

Consider Moses (pbuh) a prophet.

Both Hebrew and Christian bible had words added to it by man, and man makes mistake. There are many scientific and historical errors into them, unlike Quran you cannot find any scientific error to it such as Earth is flat , Earth is 10,000 years old !!??

[mike435]

Consider Moses (pbuh) a prophet.

Both Hebrew and Christian bible had words added to it by man, and man makes mistake. There are many scientific and historical errors into them, unlike Quran you cannot find any scientific error to it such as Earth is flat , Earth is 10,000 years old !!??

intresting but do you think its divne

[Inquisitor]

intresting but do you think its divne

I already said it. We accept them as prophets, but we cannot believe in the gospels that were written hundreds years after prophet Jesus (PBUH). Same applies to Torah.

I gave you an example of Earth is flat , Earth is 10,000 years old !!!

[Inquisitor]

Responding rfhr918

Salam sister, I'm assuming that you are muslim

too eslam ham alchole harame chon takeed shode ensan nabayad kari bokone ke be salamaty va badanesh asib beresone.......baz inham man fekr mikonam in ham be doreye arabhaye oon moghe marboote mishode ke ba masrafe ziade alchol baese azabe khonevadehashon mishodan va ba masty zanha va dokhtarharo azyat mikardan..........peyghambare khoda ham az tarafe khoda noshidanesho haram kard

I'm agree with you from too eslam till asib beresone, Rest of your saying is considered " Sherk " in Islam and it's absurd.

You are saying that Allah (swt) made this haram because " Arabs " were doing it. My question to you, Does Allah (swt) differentiate Arabs with the other people and He made it Haram for all the people just because Arabs were doing it. Quran clearly mentiones that it is the book for whole man-kind not only arabs. If there is law from Allah(swt), it is for whole man-kind and applies to every muslim.

[Inquisitor]

well said, looks like, I have a comrade in this forum.

well, they say it is freedom of speech, and I say it is okay, let us draw a cartoon and caricature about Holocaust. Then they will show their hypocrisy and condemn it and when we condemn their actions we are barbaric lol (by the way, it is secular democracy and everything is relative)

I have something to say . . .
way back our times. . God sent many prophets to people. . to try to bring them in the enlighted path . .and most of them did .. and most didnt ..
but the last Prophet sent who is Prophet Mohammed (s.w.a.s) he was the last of them . . no man would be propheet and God chose and sent with Mohammed the Quran Declaring that Islam is the religion that people have to go into ..
but what happened that many people followed .. but when the prophet died. . so did their religion..and so many things happened . . downfalls we call . .like the Killing of Imam Ali . .the Killing of Imam Hassan and the well known event Karbala when Imam Hussain was murdered and his woman and children either killed or taken as hostages. . .
Islam is a beautiful religion.. should you practice it right. . .the love of God and our Prophet and his decendants fill us Muslims to the extent, that if your a strong believer . .and you let all your heavy burdens on them and follow their saying . .you have gauarnteed Heaven . .

My deep devotion to all the listed above are not just words.. .they are actual feelings..and when a non-muslim offends my religion . . i am hurt to extents that words cannot explain. . because when the outsiders call my Religion and the people who follow it as Barbarics..and draw Prophet Mohammed (s.w.a.s) in a picture of the terrosrit i was filled with grieve . .but i knew that punishement would be great. . .

My friend . .you should look always to the actual roots and heart of a Religion to understand its qaulity . .sadly . .people tend to mix religion with many things. ..

[Inquisitor]

Responding a quote from an article which was posted by RedWine

Let us face these so called "facts"

Can somebody please show me what verse/s of quran tells muslim to kill innocents?

Thanks in advance

[mike435]

i dono what verse
i dought it eve does
but who is considered innoct and guilty
on mere fact of being a non beliver one deserv death?
and is it write for one definition of huilty or innocent to apply to all people

and now it would be irralavnt wether the qoran says dont kill inoconce
becuse now who is to say who innocence is

by the way before i waist my time and yours i am making all this argumants based on the idea that islam like christianity is a relligion that wants to activly seek and turn people in to muslim convert

if this is not true than i should drop all my argumants and sttop waisitg your time after all it would be pointless if we argue based on fasle notions